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    At this stage it is difficult to see how they can move forward constructively. A hard Brexit would be very costly, in many ways and for a long time. A soft Brexit seems out of reach in the Commons. No Brexit would divide the country for a generation. And a general election would probably result in a hung Parliament.
    Pity there aren't any good leaders at the top of the two main parties...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persephone View Post
    Lhere's no doubt that it's easy criticize May's handling of the affair, but then try to imagine charting a course that would please both sides...
    At this point, if I were her...I'd absolutely quit and go home, have a cup of tea, kick my feet up on the table and watch the shit show.
    Every side in this wants things absolutely their way and they aren't going to agree with anyone else.

    Mind you, our side would be doing the same thing.
    Y'all better get ready for your Hard Brexit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
    Y'all better get ready for your Hard Brexit.
    But, wait! Just when you think it's hopeless, Theresa announces another means of getting her deal passed by the Commons - talk to Jeremy (leader of the main opposition party) to see if they can agree anything, as long as it includes her deal (that won't work). If that doesn't work, try to get indicative votes "on the future relationship with the EU" to pass something; then, put her deal to the Commons again.
    I notice one small (or very large) wrinkle - this stage of the process is about leaving, not about the future relationship. That is for the next stage of negotiations, if they leave with a deal.
    <scratches head>
    Not sure this is going to solve the impasse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misrule View Post
    But, wait! Just when you think it's hopeless, Theresa announces another means of getting her deal passed by the Commons - talk to Jeremy (leader of the main opposition party) to see if they can agree anything, as long as it includes her deal (that won't work). If that doesn't work, try to get indicative votes "on the future relationship with the EU" to pass something; then, put her deal to the Commons again.
    I notice one small (or very large) wrinkle - this stage of the process is about leaving, not about the future relationship. That is for the next stage of negotiations, if they leave with a deal.
    <scratches head>
    Not sure this is going to solve the impasse
    I'm not even sure they want a solution at this point.
    The Conservatives seem to want someone to blame when everything goes bang! Todays announcement seems like a ploy so that they can blame Labour if the UK crashes out with out a deal. Like you, I can't see any way that Labour or the DUP will now suddenly vote for Theresa's deal and trust her that she will keep her word about the future arrangements part of things.

    What a mess!

    Labour on the other hand seem to take the view that it would be "better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven". They don't seem that bothered if we crash out and suffer economic disaster as long as there is an election and they get into power.
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    I do think that whenever and however this is resolved, you all should get together and beat David Cameron to death, just on pure principle.
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    ^ we were planning that long before anyone had heard of brexit anyway

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    Government - Do you want a blowjob, Yes or No?
    Electorate - Yes please!

    Government - We did out best but the only blowjob we could get you is from a Piranha
    Electorate - I am not sure about this anymore

    Government - You can't change your mind now! blowjob means blowjob.

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    ^ i always thought that joke would have been more apt had the government replied "we did our best but we can't deliver the blowjob you wanted because having the necessary rib removed wasn't feasible after all"

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    Well, it's been three months.

    Conservative and Labour got shellacked in local elections. Liberal Dems seem to have gotten some swagger back after being just about completely swept out of power in 2015 (with Cameron's gamble of promising the in-out referendum leading to ditching the coalition). Farrange's Brexit Party took a bunch of seats in the European Parliament elections.

    Theresa May is stepping aside, and it's between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt for the next PM.

    On a personal level, while Labour's idea of having another customs union with the EU sounded pretty bad, the idea that the UK would be better with no deal at all rankles as even worse. It reminds me of the first Austin Powers movie, where Number Two says, "But you, like an idiot, want to take over the world. And you don't realize there is no world anymore! It's only corporations!"
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    the united kingston ..... sorry, kingdom ..... has a new man in the chair - boris johnson has won the party vote to be the new conservative leader and, by extension, britain's new prime minister

    naturally, this won't be for very long tho

    when tony blair resigned mid-term, leaving the way open for gordon brown to take over, johnson was very vocal about brown's ascension

    "itís the arrogance - itís the contempt - thatís what gets me - itís gordon brownís apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the british people - they voted for anthony charles lynton blair to serve as their leader - they were at no stage invited to vote on whether gordon brown should be prime minister - it is a scandal - no-one elected gordon brown as prime minister - letís have an election without delay"

    it seems only logical then that johnson will be declaring a general election as soon as possible, rather than rumbling on until 2022 without a mandate from the british people

    i'm not saying it won't happen - johnson has always been a surprising figure (just ask maurizio gaudino )

    we'll just have to wait and see how that works out .....
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