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    Brexit triggered - The Brexit plan


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    And the EU look so prepared for the Brits...

    For example:
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nsitional-deal

    It would almost make you feel sorry for Boris. Almost, but not quite.

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    I read a bit online, and the reasons for Brexit seem to be England feels it is paying more into it then seeing benefit from it; also to regain control of border movement of people.
    Is that true? Are there more reasons?

    What happens to Ireland and Scotland?

    How do you guys/gals over there feel about it?

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    Good questions, BJB. I would say it has far more to do with emotion than reason. The anti-EU lobby has been banging away for 30+ years, aided and abetted by most of the news media who have spun, faked and just invented reasons to blame the EU for just about everything. Politicians haven't helped - it is far easier to blame a distant Brussels than to take the heat for unpopular decisions. The result has been a deeply rooted set of beliefs that are in many cases simply false or delusional. There is a good example today - a reputable polling company (You Gov) is reported to have found the following results when people were asked what they would like to see brought back once the UK leaves the EU. Wait for it....
    Capital punishment
    Blue covers on passports
    Being allowed to smack children
    Selling goods in Imperial measures (pounds, ounces, etc.)
    Incandescent light bulbs
    Smoking in pubs and restaurants
    Pre-decimal currency (pounds, shillings and pence)

    These were abolished, banned, phased out in the following years: 1969, 1988, 1986, 1965, 2016, 2007 and 1971. The last time the UK had all of these things was in 1965.
    You get the idea - massive nostalgia for a Britain that has gone forever, much of it has nothing to do with the EU. Oh, and foreigners.

    Note, this is from a report on the You Gov poll which isn't yet available on the You Gov site.

    Scotland is planning to have another independence referendum when the shape of the negotiations is clearer. And Ireland? That's one of the first items on the agenda and one of the circles they have to square. How to allow free movement across the border in Ireland, without undermining UK or EU security, tariffs, etc. Fun for all the family for the next couple of years.

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    Imagine the absurdity of Calexit actually happening regardless of if you're red or blue. That's how silly brexit is.

    Edit: I actually read this morning that Mr Brexit is campaigning to split up the californian state on behalf of mcTrump. And he's trash talking London on FOX following the recent terrorist attack, not very proud or patriotic when talking as a guest on foreign media about his own country.
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    This was a lot more fun when I could look down on Britons after the vote and think "How could they vote like that..? What a bunch of idiots!!!"

    Then we had our election...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misrule View Post
    Being allowed to smack children
    Smoking in pubs and restaurants

    I don't know, those two sound pretty good...

    Thank you for the explanation, I somehow sense you two are against it.

    What are the good things about EU membership? Or is it more that the act of exiting in itself is the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BondJmsBond View Post
    I don't know, those two sound pretty good...

    Thank you for the explanation, I somehow sense you two are against it.

    What are the good things about EU membership? Or is it more that the act of exiting in itself is the problem?
    Well, the primary good/bad thing is freedom of movement. It's a visa-free zone, no visa needed to hop from one country to another. There's no "points system" or any real way the UK could block people from entering and settling here, which fueled a lot of resentment usually from people who don't like multiculturalism (lol, only kidding).

    Freedom of goods: no tariffs or customs stuff you have to go through.

    Same rules everywhere: A lot of the fears after Brexit was that London would lose its place as the global financial market since UK would have their own finance rules and not be bound to use the same ones that he EU does.

    Same currency: no need to exchange money around. This soured a lot in the financial crisis as some weaker countries (Greece, Spain) were able to borrow at better rates than they should have been allowed to and the EU looked like it was going to impllode with all that government debt.

    Grand experiment: One reason for the push for the EU was Europe had just been through two terrible world wars. A grand experiment for stability and lasting peace.

    Norway has a strange relationship. I think it's best described as sort of half-in half-out: it doesn't have freedom of movement or use the Euro, but I believe it enjoys the common market.
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    i do wonder about the parity of the current economic union tho

    5 european nations contribute half of the eu's funding - more than half of the member nations are in deficit on their obligations

    i think a lot of people around europe are looking at the state of the eu and thinking "it hasn't helped us to all become more equal and now the minority are having to subsidise the majority"
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