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    Boris Johnson, like Trump, has made an art of completely disregarding what he said before. There's literally a Trump tweet that's the complete and total opposite of what he's doing now, one example being his authorization of missile strikes on Syria in 2017 after he roundly criticized Obama for almost doing the same thing in 2013 (Obama eventually went to Congress but they refused to authorize, same thing happened with Cameron and the UK Parliament).

    the only major thing he hasn't backtracked on is the Central Five jogger case. (Quick elevator speech: after a jogger was brutally beaten and raped in 1989, Trump took out full-page ads rallying to reinstate the death penalty, and has continued to maintain that the five men who were convicted were still guilty, even though by now they found the ACTUAL CULPRIT, which should be pretty much total exoneration/vindication for the five accused.)

    Very interesting that Parliament has already passed a motion of sorts intended to disallow the PM from suspending Parliament during the final Brexit days, as what some have feared could happen if the entire system is still deadlocked on what to do.

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    You have to admire Boris Johnson for his long list of achievements. Within 2 days of parliament coming back from their recess he has:

    1. Lost his parliamentary majority
    2. Lost control of the parliamentary agenda
    3. Lost control of the Conservative Party
    4. Failed to prevent Parliament legislating against a no-deal outcome
    5. Failed in his attempt to have an early election
    6. Become a lame duck Prime Minister.

    Wow! Theresa May took 2 years to achieve something similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misrule View Post
    You have to admire Boris Johnson for his long list of achievements. Within 2 days of parliament coming back from their recess he has:

    1. Lost his parliamentary majority
    2. Lost control of the parliamentary agenda
    3. Lost control of the Conservative Party
    4. Failed to prevent Parliament legislating against a no-deal outcome
    5. Failed in his attempt to have an early election
    6. Become a lame duck Prime Minister.

    Wow! Theresa May took 2 years to achieve something similar.
    You can add 7. Having his own brother resign to get away from his train wreck Government

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    That was something to see. In the space of a seeming few days it went from Boris in Charge, Hard Brexit coming in 2 months No Matter What - now kerblam and that's all gone.

    It does show that the British government can get things done when they are inclined to.

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    wish we had this here in the US

    the Speaker? (like the US, not sure the title) scolded them, told
    them they were little children, lol

    why the hell did we ever leave???!!







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    we are not seeing the breakup of the conservative party, rather a thinning out of the dead weight

    this is a party who voted in one of the major protagonists of brexit as leader and, by extension, prime minister - it's nothing short of the conservative party declaring itself the party for brexit, above any other issue

    now it's up the other parties to fight over what's left - a 2nd referendum, a limp period of more delays and gaining little ground from the eu, cancelling brexit altogether, et cetera

    in this way, the conservatives are hoping that the nation will vote for brexit once again, just as it did before, in a general election and strengthen their position for another 5 years

    we have so few viable alternative options in the uk - the tories, loathsome as they may be, are playing it all exceedingly well ......... assuming the country votes the same way again

    that's the gamble they've gone for
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    Quote Originally Posted by sp88 View Post
    we are not seeing the breakup of the conservative party, rather a thinning out of the dead weight

    this is a party who voted in one of the major protagonists of brexit as leader and, by extension, prime minister - it's nothing short of the conservative party declaring itself the party for brexit, above any other issue

    now it's up the other parties to fight over what's left - a 2nd referendum, a limp period of more delays and gaining little ground from the eu, cancelling brexit altogether, et cetera

    in this way, the conservatives are hoping that the nation will vote for brexit once again, just as it did before, in a general election and strengthen their position for another 5 years

    we have so few viable alternative options in the uk - the tories, loathsome as they may be, are playing it all exceedingly well ......... assuming the country votes the same way again

    that's the gamble they've gone for

    I dunno...it looks to me like that Boris is trying to appease the hard-right elements who want a hard Brexit, and that is going to crowd out the moderates that are supposed to be instrumental in keeping the party from shifting too far off-center (for both parties; but things are getting increasingly far-left and far-right; the danger can best be exemplified with Merkel's coalition partner losing a lot of seats in elections for being too centrist). Weren't the Tories all about pro-business? I dunno how anyone could spin it that hard/chaotic Brexit would be good for business.

    The pro-Brexit faction voted largely against Theresa May's deal, but she didn't order the whip removed. So if 21 Conservative Party members still vote against the PM under threat of being expelled, that should be a clear sign to the PM that his maneuver (or manoeuvre) sucks. Good on them for rebelling. I'm still waiting for the GOP to stand up to Trump's insane policies.
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