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    Postimage.org/Postimg/Postimage.io

    Any hotlinked images I have on this host either has or is probably going to go bye bye.
    Seems they owe Cloudflare about $12,000 with no way to pay for it.

    Code:
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    What's happening?

    On October 27, 2016, CloudFlare abruptly cut us off from most of their services except DNS for abusing their system. This came as a bit of a surprise, since although we've been using one of their cheapest plans for a long time, we had reached an agreement earlier this month that we would be upgrading our account when the next billing cycle started. A couple of Skype calls later we learned the following:

    CloudFlare was very unhappy that the total traffic usage of our project had surpassed a staggering figure of 1.8 petabytes in the last 30 days.
    The amount of money we had to pay monthly to make them happy again grew after each Skype call as more people in CF got involved in examining our case: $200 became $1000, which in turn became $12k.
    The sales team was adamant that although CloudFlare did not officially have bandwidth limits, our violation of Section 10 of their terms of service could not be remedied by serving less image traffic and more HTML traffic (although, being an image hosting company, we have no idea how we would pull this one off anyway without blatantly gaming the system), and that at the level of petabytes of data, they would never allow that on a $200/month Business plan.
    We were officially screwed.

    Let us make this absolutely clear: we do not hold a grudge against CloudFlare for refusing to foot our traffic bill any further. We do realize that we are costing them a ton of money, and it is solely our own fault that our current business model is not sustainable. We also recognize that the deal they offered is probably as good as anything we could reasonably expect from other CDN providers. The only thing we disagree with is that instead of publishing estimates of how much traffic customers are actually allowed to consume at each service plan, CloudFlare insists that their bandwidth is unlimited and declines to comment on the actual terms of service.

    What should we do now?

    A likely outcome is that Postimage.org will have to shut down, terminating nearly 140 million images embedded into some 450 thousand websites, first and foremost a number of great message boards (although a lot of online auctions, personal galleries and corporate websites will be affected as well).

    While we are definitely bothered that the project on which our modest livelihood depends is shutting down, this latter circumstance bothers us much more. We will hopefully find other jobs to pay our bills, but a huge historical layer spanning more than a decade of some of the Internet's most vibrant communities will be obliterated forever. Thus, at this point failure is not an option; we must fight tooth and nail to keep Postimage.org running.
    I'll replace what I can when I can, if I can.
    I mostly used it on recent videos and hotlinking memes and stuff like that so it's not that widespread.
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    My bad. I discovered them today and used them for my steam image in the arcade thread. I had no idea I'd run them out of business.

    If you find another way to have an image hosted let me know.
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    the image-hosting business seems to be a losing game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse View Post
    My bad. I discovered them today and used them for my steam image in the arcade thread. I had no idea I'd run them out of business.

    If you find another way to have an image hosted let me know.
    To tell you the truth, I didn't even notice it.
    My images were screwing up the other night and I thought I'd give it a couple of days & I checked a thread elsewhere where people were complaining and I saw the news.
    We've used picturescream in the past but there have been a couple of times where it shut down for a couple of days
    or Google blocked them for a supposedly bad ad here and there.

    I think postimage is still running but at this point why would anyone bother uploading anything..?

    Code:
    http://picturescream.com/
    Or you can use pimpandhost if you don't mind your pictures only working half of the time.

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    http://pimpandhost.com/
    Quote Originally Posted by defrabbit View Post
    the image-hosting business seems to be a losing game.
    Particularly the hotlinking aspect of it.

    As for the rest, I've given up on imagebam and having to refresh multiple times and/or wait for the thumbs to load.
    I'm using another host for my comic pics and imgbox for my picture set previews.

    Code:
    https://imgbox.com/
    I would post the other host url but they aren't too keen on porn being posted.

    4. Adult content is allowed, but anyone abusing our service by uploading ridiculous amounts of porn will have their accounts terminated. We are not a gigantic porn dump and do not want to be used as one.
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    The funny thing is, I could serve my images from my own server with little difficulty. But the image properties would absolutely identify my IP and location. Not that I have anything to fear. I don't dabble in anything illegal. I run sites on it and for that my IP is very public but, Broken has warned against posting anything about yourself that could help to identify you.

    Alternatively, I just tested a blog post image from my server and since the image was posted in
    Code:
    data:image/
    it doesn't contain any identifiable information, so maybe I have a solution.

    The thing about image serving is the data is retrieved every time the post is read. These "sets" you like to post are very expensive in the way of data transfer. And it isn't just the post that is served but all the images in the entire thread page. Looking at one post still servers all the images on that page. It would be much more data economical to include one or two images per thread, or better yet, a thumbnail for each image which would only transfer complete data if it was clicked. Technically they are thumbs, but really big thumbs.

    Hotlinking is great because Broken doesn't experience the cost of the data transfer. I dare say, if broken hosted the images that are available within it the operating costs for data transfer could be too much. I like this place. I like its members. I'm thinking of renting a room here. Maybe I'll buy a house somewhere along the virus thread. Thing is, I just got here. I'd hate to see it fail.

    But someone pays for the data. If you think of all these sites like this and how often they are accessed and how many images are transferred every time a thread is opened it is easy to see why these image hosting sites are failing.

    I just toggled though Summer Saint Clair (certainly worth the toggle) which just cost some image server(s) 14 megabytes of data transfer. That the thread has been viewed 6,205 times means its total data cost is approximately 86 GB. That is if no one ever clicked an image or the set's download links. Granted, that is a cost across two years, but multiply that by the number of threads and then multiply that by the number of boards with similar practices.

    I uploaded my arcade/steam image for free with no account and no information. Given the numbers on the data for the Saint Clair's thread it boggles my mind why anyone would offer a free image server.

    We have not yet considered videos.

    I went into the numbers because it is entirely possible to support Broken with a number of home servers (meaning host your own uploads) if it came to it. And it isn't difficult to install a home server. There are many options.

    I wouldn't hesitate to host my own images, and even those of a friend or two, but there are costs. I run 3 computers 24/7 at a cost of power at about $200 or $300 per year. My 2terabyte data cap @ 1 gig transfer rate is about $1,200 per year. A server doesn't have to be dedicated but it helps. My server cost about $200 in old parts. High speed router $150. These are expenses I incur anyway. My data cap is shared by a few people and includes all of my personal internet activity as well. As long as I stay under my cap my server itself costs only about $70-$100 per year in power.

    Anyway, just sayin'...if all the image servers closed it wouldn't mean you were out of luck. There are issues involved with a home server, and to have a dynamic address to serve responsibly you'd need a DNS (domain name) at a cost of $5 to $20 per year. When your dynamic address changed (power out) you would need to change the forwarding to reestablish your server. Otherwise your images would be temporary, months or years depending on how often your router was forced to power down. Dynamic IPs only change after a disconnect, and even then not always. Or you could use a service like FreeDNS that would give you a forwarding subdomain and correct your IP anytime it changed.

    Or Broken could up it's data allowance, store our images, and beg for donations to cover the increased expense...but then there would need to be rules. *GASP*

    I'm just thinking out loud. If images fail, I imagine something will need to be done.

    ETA I've investigated it and data:image could work to post an image but Broken would inherit the expense of data transfer. So back to the drawing board.
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    It looks like (with some help) they saved themselves.

    V is for Victory
    November 3, 2016

    Thanks to your tremendous efforts and generous donations, the crisis has been averted. The victory belongs to you, our users. Your donations bought us enough time to keep our servers humming while we were figuring out what to do. Your technical expertise allowed us to cut some corners and employ clever tricks. Your connections finally allowed us to establish contact with parties that made a long-term solution affordable. Your emails kept us going on extra-long workdays, because we knew that you were counting on us. We hereby wish to thank everybody who extended their help and advice, and would especially like to mention and recommend the following parties:

    AdvancedHosters for their stellar tech support and for offering great terms for their CDN service
    SG.GS for their technical expertise and generous bandwidth consumption terms

    Also, the following parties readily came to our aid, although our needs did not exactly match their expertise:

    DaciHost for offering us a powerful dedicated server for free
    Aba-Soft for designing a custom private cloud solution to help us handle the uncached load
    Greta.io for offering their ingenious peer-2-peer CDN technology

    A special thank you goes to every single one of the 159 people who contributed a total of over $1700 of donations via PayPal. This would not be possible without you.
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    BTW: If you are using this host, they are fixing to totally change how everything is done.

    Upcoming premium service
    May 6, 2017 ~ dpxo

    Hello everyone,

    After a long period of absence, premium accounts are coming back soon. As much as we want to keep the site completely free for everyone, advertising revenue is just not good enough to cover our costs any longer, so we really need to use other ways to keep the site humming. Plus we do recognize that many users are willing to pay for the service and/or find ads distracting.

    Below you can find a layout of terms and features proposed to be available for different service tiers; the italic text in parentheses denotes the current conditions for the same service tiers. Please note that these changes are not carved in stone: this is our best idea on how to evolve PostImage, but your feedback is very much welcome.

    Anonymous uploads (without any kind of an account)

    Advertising enabled
    Expire in 31 day (currently can choose between no expiration, 1, 7, and 31 days)
    Mandatory image optimization (currently no optimization performed)
    Hotlinks to 1280px max resizes
    Max 8Mb file size

    Note that images uploaded via forum plugins will be exempt from expiration even for anonymous uploads.


    Free registered accounts

    Advertising enabled
    Can choose between no expiration, 1, 7, and 31 days
    Mandatory image optimization (currently no optimization performed)
    Hotlinks to 1280px max resizes
    Max 8Mb file size

    Premium registered accounts (New! Sort of)

    Advertising disabled for you and visitors of your images
    Can choose between no expiration, 1, 7, and 31 days
    Optional image optimization
    Hotlinks to full-resolution images
    Max 16Mb file size

    We also plan to introduce a special plan for high-traffic sites so webmasters relying on PostImage hotlinks can support our project.

    Note that “image optimization” mentioned above is a pretty clever technique along the lines of what JPEGmini is capable of (basically, image file size is reduced but the quality perception in virtually all cases remains absolutely the same). So, while they charge you to optimize your images, we do the same thing for free!

    If you have any ideas or objections to this plan, please do take a minute of your time and send your thoughts to support@postimage.org or via our Contact Form.
    Also, there for a while, they switched their image urls to .io like their website.
    Well, they are now saying that those image urls will die unless you hand change the url's in your posts for .io to .org.

    I'm just going to let what dies, die and fix what I want with my new registered account.
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    what is a scenario in which you would want expiration in: 1, 7, or 31 days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by defrabbit View Post
    what is a scenario in which you would want expiration in: 1, 7, or 31 days?
    Maybe if I owned a imagehost and I was hemorrhaging cash on hotlinked images..?

    I don't see similar language on their pixxxels (dot) org site so maybe porn ads pay more than non porn ads do.
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    Now it's postimages(dot)org and it won't let you upload anything right now.

    Anyone else get the feeling that this will be circling the drain soon?
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